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The Not 4 Prophets Podcast is the place where two seasoned, Black non-profit professionals spill the tea on what really goes on behind closed doors in the nonprofit industry and how it impacts Black leaders and leaders of color. We’ll share our personal experience, industry trends and tools and strategies for navigating the world of non-profit leadership as Black professionals.
The Not 4 Prophets Podcast is the place where two seasoned, Black non-profit professionals spill the tea on what really goes on behind closed doors in the nonprofit industry and how it impacts Black leaders and leaders of color. We’ll share our personal experience, industry trends and tools and strategies for navigating the world of non-profit leadership as Black professionals.
Episodes

Monday Aug 05, 2024
Black Folks Who Gatekeep At Work
Monday Aug 05, 2024
Monday Aug 05, 2024
Episode Description: In this episode Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn explore the concept of gatekeeping within the nonprofit sector, particularly focusing on Black professionals. They discuss the reasons behind gatekeeping, its impact on career advancement and organizational culture, and the intersection of race and class. The conversation also delves into personal experiences and strategies for fostering an inclusive and supportive work environment.
In This Episode:
- [00:00] Introduction to the topic of gatekeeping among Black professionals.
- [00:34] David shares about StrivEquity Consulting LLC and their free eBook "17 Insights to Leading More Equitably."
- [01:28] Definition and examples of gatekeeping in the workplace.
- [05:02] Reasons why Black professionals might engage in gatekeeping.
- [07:53] The impact of scarcity mindset on professional relationships and resource sharing.
- [10:52] David's personal story about receiving support from another Black professional.
- [12:22] The anxiety of being the only Black person in the room.
- [18:54] The intersection of class and race in professional settings.[28:16] Closing thoughts on gatekeeping and moving towards an abundance mindset
Episode Links:
- StrivEquity's eBook: 17 Insights to Lead More Equitably
- Connect with StrivEquity on LinkedIn
- Sustainable Leadership by Trenia Parham: https://www.treniaparham.com

Monday Jul 29, 2024
The Perception & Challenges for Black Women in Nonprofits
Monday Jul 29, 2024
Monday Jul 29, 2024
Episode Description:
In this episode of "Not 4 Prophets we delve into the unique and often challenging experiences of Black women in the nonprofit sector. David interviews Trenia about her personal journey, discussing the stereotypes, challenges, and triumphs she has encountered. This episode provides valuable insights for nonprofit leaders, employees, and anyone interested in understanding and supporting Black women in professional environments.
In This Episode:
00:01 - Introduction: Hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn introduce the topic and the format of this episode.
01:01 - Initial Thoughts: Trenia shares her initial thoughts on the fraught experiences of Black women in nonprofit organizations.
02:31 - Stereotypes in the Workplace: Discussion on how stereotypes about Black women have shown up in Trenia's career.
06:09 - Personal Experiences: Trenia recounts personal stories illustrating the impact of these stereotypes, including a notable incident with a former boss.
09:53 - Mentorship and Support: The role of mentorship, or lack thereof, in Trenia's professional journey and the importance of "angels" in her career.
13:43 - Solidarity Among Women: Trenia discusses her experiences with non-Black women in the workplace and the dynamics of solidarity.
14:43 - Joy and Fulfillment: Reflection on the sense of joy and fulfillment, or the lack thereof, in nonprofit workspaces for Black women.
18:10 - Mixed Experiences with Black Women: The dual experiences of support and competition among Black women in the workplace.
25:54 - Impact of Current Events: The impact of recent stories about Black women leaders in DEI roles and their treatment in the workplace.
30:44 - Final Thoughts: Trenia's advice for Black women in nonprofits and David's reflections on the importance of allyship and support.
Episode Links:
StrivEquity Consulting LLC: https://strivequity.com
Sustainable Leadership Coaching & Consulting: https://www.treniaparham.com

Monday Jul 22, 2024
The Sexualization of Black Men in Nonprofits
Monday Jul 22, 2024
Monday Jul 22, 2024
Episode Description:
In this episode of "Not 4 Prophets," hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn tackle the sensitive and often overlooked issue of the sexualization of Black men in the nonprofit sector. Trenia interviews David about his personal experiences and observations, shedding light on how these dynamics affect professional relationships, workplace culture, and the well-being of Black men in these environments. This episode provides valuable insights for nonprofit leaders, employees, and anyone interested in understanding and addressing these complex issues.
In This Episode:
00:01 - Introduction: Hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn introduce the topic and the unique format of this episode.
01:05 - Initial Thoughts: David shares his initial thoughts and feelings about the sexualization of Black men in the workplace.
04:17 - Early Career Experiences: David recounts early experiences of sexualization and the implications for his professional life.
08:13 - Work Husband Dynamics: Discussion on the dynamics of being seen as a "work husband" or "work boyfriend."
13:00 - Recognizing Harassment: David's reflections on recognizing and understanding sexual harassment in the workplace.
19:33 - Shifts in Behavior: The impact of David's decision to pull back from certain workplace dynamics and how it affected his relationships.
22:42 - Power Dynamics: Exploration of the power dynamics between Black men and white women in nonprofits.
32:23 - From Desire to Threat: The shift in perception from being desired to being seen as a threat when Black men assert themselves.
37:05 - Navigating the Line: David's strategies for walking the line between being approachable and avoiding being perceived as a threat.
41:55 - Final Thoughts: Reflections on the broader implications and the need for ongoing conversation and support.
Episode Links:
StrivEquity Consulting LLC: https://strivequity.com
Sustainable Leadership by Trenia Parham: https://www.treniaparham.com

Monday Jul 15, 2024
Black Leaders Surviving and Thriving in Hostile Work Environments
Monday Jul 15, 2024
Monday Jul 15, 2024
Episode Description:
Join hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn in this compelling episode of "Not 4 Prophets," where they discuss the realities of hostile work environments and toxic work cultures. Drawing from personal experiences and professional insights, they explore the emotional and psychological impact of such environments, particularly on Black professionals. This episode is essential for anyone navigating challenging workplace dynamics, offering strategies for coping, setting boundaries, and finding support.
In This Episode:
00:01 - Introduction: Hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn introduce the topic of hostile work environments.
00:48 - Defining Toxic Work Environments: David's perspective on identifying toxic workplaces based on personal feelings and experiences.
02:04 - Personal Stories: Trenia and David share their own experiences with toxic work environments.
05:30 - Coping Strategies: David discusses setting boundaries and finding allies.
07:43 - Planning an Exit: Trenia talks about her methodical approach to leaving a toxic job.
10:45 - The Role of Allies: The importance of allies and support systems in toxic work environments.
15:08 - Realizations and Decisions: David's experiences with undermining bosses and organizational misalignment.
20:44 - Fighting Back: Trenia's strategies for pushing back against toxic behaviors.
29:25 - Final Thoughts: The interconnectedness of work and home life stress and the importance of seeking support.
Episode Links:
StrivEquity Consulting LLC: https://strivequity.com
Sustainable Leadership by Trenia Parham: https://www.treniaparham.com

Monday Jul 08, 2024
We Are Not Family: Unpacking the 'Family' Narrative in Nonprofits
Monday Jul 08, 2024
Monday Jul 08, 2024
Episode Description:
In this episode, Trenia and David delve into the complex narrative of treating nonprofit organizations as a family. Unpack the profound implications of this mindset on professional boundaries, organizational culture, and particularly its impact on Black professionals within the nonprofit sector. Using personal anecdotes and expert analysis, Trenia and David skillfully unravel the subtleties of this narrative and discuss its widespread effects on the dynamics of nonprofit work environments.
In This Episode:
- 00:01 - Exploring the 'Family' Narrative: An introduction to the familial framing within nonprofit organizations.
- 02:12 - Blurred Lines Between Roles: A discussion on how personal and professional roles often overlap in nonprofit settings.
- 14:10 - Impact on Black Leaders: Delving into how this narrative specifically affects Black professionals and leaders in the nonprofit sector.
- 17:02 - Personal Insights: Hosts share their experiences and personal journeys, offering valuable perspectives.
- 28:26 - Strategies for Workplace Dynamics: Practical advice on navigating and improving workplace relationships and dynamics in nonprofit environments.
Episode Links:
- StrivEquity Consulting LLC: https://strivequity.com
- Sustainable Leadership by Trenia Parham: https://www.treniaparham.com

Monday Jul 01, 2024
The Difficulties of BIPOC Solidarity: : Race and Color in Nonprofits
Monday Jul 01, 2024
Monday Jul 01, 2024
Episode Description
Explore the intricate relationships between Black professionals and non-Black people of color within the nonprofit sector in this captivating episode of "Not 4 Prophets." Join hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn as they engage in a profound dialogue about the dynamics at play on issues like solidarity with non-Black POCs, colorism, and the profound impact of these relationships on Black leaders.
Gain valuable insights from the hosts' personal experiences and reflections, providing a nuanced perspective on the challenges and opportunities encountered when navigating these complex interactions. Additionally, this episode sheds light on the role of internalized racism and the distinct hurdles faced by Black women in such settings.
- 00:01 - Introduction to the episode's theme: Dynamics of race and color in the nonprofit workplace.
- 00:55 - David shares exciting updates about StrivEquity's new initiatives.
- 02:15 - Engaging personal experiences with non-Black people of color in various settings.
- 09:10 - In-depth discussion on internalized racism and colorism in the workplace.
- 14:03 - An exploration of the distinct challenges encountered by Black professionals, especially Black women.
- 25:06 - Valuable insights into building understanding and fostering supportive relationships across racial lines.
Episode Links:
- StrivEquity Consulting LLC: https://strivequity.com
- Trenia Parham’s Sustainable Leadership: https://www.treniaparham.com

Monday Jun 24, 2024
Overworked and Undervalued: Navigating the Nonprofit Grind
Monday Jun 24, 2024
Monday Jun 24, 2024
Episode Description:
Join Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn in this enlightening episode of "Not 4 Prophets," as they explore the critical and widespread issue of being overworked and undervalued in the nonprofit sector, a challenge that particularly affects Black professionals. This episode serves as a deep dive into the nuanced relationship between commitment and burnout. The hosts share their personal journeys and dissect the systemic factors that contribute to this pervasive problem. This discussion is essential for anyone struggling with work-life balance in high-pressure roles and offers insights into the sometimes toxic culture of overcommitment prevalent in many nonprofit organizations.
Listen Now and Learn How To:
- Recognize and Address Burnout: Gain a comprehensive understanding of burnout symptoms and effective strategies to combat this issue in the nonprofit sector.
- Navigate Nonprofit Work Culture: Delve into the culture of overcommitment that permeates many nonprofit organizations and learn practical ways to establish necessary boundaries.
- Foster Equity-Responsive Leadership: Explore how equity-responsive leadership can play a pivotal role in creating more equitable and healthy work environments.
- Manage Work-Life Balance: Discover techniques to maintain a healthy balance between professional responsibilities and personal life amidst the high demands of nonprofit roles.
- Understand the 'Hired to Hostile' Pipeline: Investigate this critical phenomenon and its significant impact on Black professionals in the nonprofit sector.
Episode Links:
- StrivEquity Consulting LLC: https://strivequity.com
- Trenia Parham’s Sustainable Leadership: https://www.treniaparham.com

Monday Jun 17, 2024
Using a Messy Work-Style as Reparations
Monday Jun 17, 2024
Monday Jun 17, 2024
Episode Description:
In the compelling season 2 opener of "Not 4 Prophets," Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn explore the dual roles and pressures Black and brown leaders face, especially in interactions with staff from similar ethnic backgrounds. Highlighting the nuances of internalized racism, the challenges of being 'the only one' in predominantly white spaces, and the distinctive experiences of Black professionals, the conversation delves deep into racial dynamics in the nonprofit sector.
Trenia and David critically analyze how Black leaders may adapt their approach with white colleagues versus Black and Brown staff, navigating a complex landscape of internalized pressures and societal expectations. The episode provides a thoughtful examination of the delicate balance required to extend grace to colleagues of color while upholding professional standards and boundaries.
In This Episode:
- 00:01 - Introduction to the season's theme focusing on Black and Brown leadership challenges in the nonprofit sector.
- 01:59 - Personal and professional insights from the hosts, setting the stage for a deep dive into the episode's topics.
- 04:30 - A critical examination of the varied workstyles adopted by leaders of color, responding to diverse workplace scenarios in the nonprofit world.
- 22:20 - In-depth analysis of the 'only one' phenomenon, exploring its impact on team dynamics and leadership within nonprofits.
- 32:51 - Discussion on the significance of introspection and the application of DEI (Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion) principles in effective nonprofit leadership.
Episode Links:
- StrivEquity Consulting LLC: https://strivequity.com/
- Sustainable Leadership Coaching & Consulting: https://www.treniaparham.com/

Welcome to the Not 4 Prophets Podcast
This podcast is the place where two seasoned, Black non-profit professionals spill the tea on what really goes on behind closed doors in the nonprofit industry and how it impacts Black leaders and leaders of color. We’ll share our personal experience, industry trends and tools and strategies for navigating the world non-profit leadership as Black professionals.
We’re talking about burnout, taking career breaks and sabbaticals, navigating toxic/hostile work environments, bad bosses, the never-ending quest for DEI, anti-Blackness, and other biases in the nonprofit world that impact Black leaders and leaders of color.
For more insights and discussions on navigating the nonprofit space as Black professionals, tune in to the "Not 4 Prophet Podcast" and gain valuable insights from seasoned industry experts.
