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The Not 4 Prophets Podcast is the place where two seasoned, Black non-profit professionals spill the tea on what really goes on behind closed doors in the nonprofit industry and how it impacts Black leaders and leaders of color. We’ll share our personal experience, industry trends and tools and strategies for navigating the world of non-profit leadership as Black professionals.
The Not 4 Prophets Podcast is the place where two seasoned, Black non-profit professionals spill the tea on what really goes on behind closed doors in the nonprofit industry and how it impacts Black leaders and leaders of color. We’ll share our personal experience, industry trends and tools and strategies for navigating the world of non-profit leadership as Black professionals.
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Sunday Sep 10, 2023
What Are The Different Needs of Black Professionals in Nonprofits?
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Episode Description
Episode 3 of the "Not 4 Prophet Podcast" delves into the different needs of Black professionals working in the nonprofit sector. Join hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn as they share their experiences as seasoned professionals in the industry. They discuss the challenges and behind-the-scenes realities faced by Black leaders and professionals in the nonprofit world.
Trenia and David reflect on their own journeys, starting from the early stages of their careers, where they sought employment for a paycheck and a chance to utilize their skills. As they moved up the ranks, they encountered different needs, such as seeking support and recognition for their work and decisions as leaders. They also share their struggles with bad bosses and lack of fair compensation, leading to burnout and frustration.
Throughout the episode, the hosts emphasize the importance of recognizing the toxicity present in many nonprofit organizations, which may hinder Black leaders from making meaningful impacts. They encourage Black professionals to be honest with themselves and ask the hard questions about their role and purpose within these organizations.
As the conversation evolves, Trenia and David highlight the current state of Black leaders in nonprofits, particularly in the midst of the ongoing pandemic. They acknowledge that many leaders are realizing the unsustainability of their situations and the need for change. However, they also address the challenge of finding a third path—a way to be impactful and make a difference while still taking care of oneself in a system that often does not prioritize the well-being of its staff.
The hosts emphasize the importance of considering one's own needs and well-being first before deciding on the best course of action. They acknowledge the difficulty of navigating these complexities and the potential blowback from pushing for change within the organization. However, they encourage Black leaders to remain aware of their unique skills and value, recognizing that they can bring positive change within their sphere of influence.
The episode concludes with the hosts urging Black leaders to be honest with themselves about their place within their current organizations and to explore other paths that may better align with their values and goals. They offer their support to those considering leaving the nonprofit sector or seeking alternative paths, emphasizing that it is essential to prioritize self-care and well-being throughout this process.
For more insights and discussions on navigating the nonprofit space as Black professionals, tune in to the "Not 4 Prophet Podcast" and gain valuable insights from seasoned industry experts.
In This Episode
04:55 What were we looking for in a nonprofit?
08:21 What was your expectations when you started your career?
15:19 The glass cliff effect.
19:56 The role of Black leaders in nonprofits.
23:14 How are you thinking about the way you show up?
25:39 How leaders can improve the conditions within their organizations.
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Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Lessons from the Pandemic - What we need right now as Black leaders?
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Episode Description
Join hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn on the "Not 4 Prophet Podcast" as they delve into the behind-the-scenes world of nonprofits. In Episode 2, titled "Lessons from the Pandemic - What we need right now as Black leaders," they discuss the experiences and challenges faced by Black professionals during the pandemic and how the nonprofit industry responded to the crisis.
During the episode, Trenia and David explore the significant impact of the pandemic on nonprofits, particularly on Black leaders and professionals. They highlight the dual responsibilities faced by these individuals, as they had to navigate their personal lives while also fulfilling their mission-driven roles during the pandemic. The hosts discuss how the pandemic exposed the flaws in nonprofit structures and emphasized the need for more flexibility and support for staff, especially those from marginalized communities.
The hosts also touch upon the heightened expectations and pressures placed on Black leaders during the uprisings for racial justice. They examine how these leaders were often burdened with additional responsibilities related to addressing racial issues within their organizations, despite the lack of appropriate resources and support.
Throughout the episode, Trenia and David emphasize the importance of recognizing the lessons learned during the pandemic, particularly regarding work-life balance, the need for greater support, and the importance of genuine organizational change. They encourage Black leaders to evaluate whether their organizations have truly embraced these lessons or if they are merely returning to "business as usual" after the pandemic.
For more insights and discussions on navigating the nonprofit space as Black professionals, tune in to the "Not 4 Prophet Podcast" and gain valuable insights from seasoned industry experts.
Listen now and learn:
- The importance of recognizing and valuing caregiving responsibilities: The pandemic brought attention to the caregiving responsibilities of employees, especially in Black and brown communities. Organizations need to continue recognizing and supporting employees' personal responsibilities.
- Reflection on the impact and effectiveness of the nonprofit's mission: The pandemic led many people to question the impact and effectiveness of their nonprofit's mission. Leaders must evaluate whether their work is genuinely making a difference and serving the community's needs.
- The significance of remote work flexibility: The pandemic highlighted the benefits of remote work and the time-saving aspects of not commuting. Nonprofits should consider maintaining remote work options and providing more flexibility to employees.
- The need for transparent and equitable workplace practices: The pandemic revealed the necessity of equitable workplace practices, including pay transparency, accessible benefits, and a focus on staff well-being. Organizations should strive to create a fair and inclusive work environment.
· Examining the culture and decision-making structures: The pandemic prompted an examination of the culture and power structures within nonprofits. Black leaders faced the challenge of advocating for change while also managing their personal and professional responsibilities. This lesson emphasizes the importance of reevaluating decision-making processes and power distribution within organizations.
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Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Professional Sabbaticals and Career Breaks
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Episode Description
Welcome to the Not 4 Prophet Podcast! In this first episode, hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn, two seasoned Black professionals with years of experience in the nonprofit industry, dive into a candid conversation about career breaks and sabbaticals.
They share their personal experiences of taking breaks due to burnout and life challenges. Trenia talks about facing a terrible boss and the grief of losing her mother, which led her to reach her breaking point. David reveals his journey through burnout, sleep issues, and mounting burdens that signaled the need for change.
Throughout their discussion, they discuss the financial considerations that come with taking a career break, as well as the societal and cultural pressures faced by Black professionals in making such decisions. They encourage listeners to prioritize self-care and reflect on their own relationships with work and labor.
Trenia and David also shed light on the importance of support systems and open conversations with partners, family, and friends. They emphasize the need for individuals to listen to themselves and not shy away from seeking help when considering a career break.
If you're interested in personal growth, self-discovery, and exploring the multifaceted aspects of work and rest, this episode is a must-listen. Tune in to learn from these insightful professionals who dare to redefine success and challenge societal norms.
For more insights and discussions on navigating the nonprofit space as Black professionals, tune in to the "Not 4 Prophet Podcast" and gain valuable insights from seasoned industry experts.
Listen now and learn:
- The importance of recognizing burnout and the need for career breaks or sabbaticals to prioritize mental and physical health.
- The significance of having a supportive partner or community to lean on during a career break or sabbatical.
- The financial planning and resources required for taking a career break, including considering savings, investments, and potential financial support.
- The process of introspection and self-reflection during the break to redefine personal success, priorities, and work-life balance.
· The value of embracing rest as an essential component of overall well-being, even when engaged in social justice or nonprofit work.
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Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Introducing the Not For Prophets Podcast
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Sunday Sep 10, 2023
Episode Description
In this inaugural episode of the Not 4 Prophets Podcast, hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn, seasoned Black professionals in the nonprofit industry, welcome you to a space dedicated to candid discussions about the experiences and challenges faced by Black professionals in the nonprofit sector. Both David and Trenia introduce who they are, why they do this work, and how the Not 4 Prophets Podcast aims to shed light on the behind-the-scenes aspects of the industry and the impact it has on Black leaders and leaders of color.
As coaches and leadership development experts, Trenia and David have engaged in conversations about the complexities of navigating closed-door institutions and the gaslighting experiences often encountered by Black professionals. Now, they're inviting other Black leaders and leaders of color to join the conversation and be part of a supportive community.
Throughout the series, they will delve into personal experiences, share industry trends, and provide practical tools and strategies for thriving in nonprofit leadership. Trenia's Sustainable Leadership coaching approach empowers women leaders to recover from burnout, find joy, and lead sustainably. Meanwhile, David's StrivEquity Consulting focuses on equity-responsive leadership coaching, guiding leaders to align their personal growth with driving meaningful changes for racial and economic justice within their institutions and beyond.
This podcast promises to be a reality check for Black professionals in the nonprofit world. Listeners will gain validation for their experiences and learn to recognize the challenges they face. Together, Trenia and David will explore ways to maintain a sense of self while navigating the complexities of the nonprofit industry.
Expect conversations that reveal the truth behind closed doors, tackle gaslighting, and explore strategies for leading authentically in a demanding environment. So, if you're a Black professional in the nonprofit sector seeking a sense of community, valuable insights, and the courage to challenge the status quo, tune in to the Not 4 Prophet Podcast. Let's spill the tea and forge a path towards a more equitable future for all.
Listen/watch now and learn:
- Who is Trenia Parham and what is Sustainable Leadership?
- Who is David DeVaughn and what is StrivEquity?
· What to expect from the Not 4 Prophets podcast

Saturday Jul 29, 2023
Introducing the Not 4 Prophets Podcast
Saturday Jul 29, 2023
Saturday Jul 29, 2023
In this inaugural episode, hosts Trenia Parham and David DeVaughn welcome you to a space dedicated to candid discussions about the experiences and challenges faced by Black professionals in the nonprofit sector. Episode Links:

Welcome to the Not 4 Prophets Podcast
This podcast is the place where two seasoned, Black non-profit professionals spill the tea on what really goes on behind closed doors in the nonprofit industry and how it impacts Black leaders and leaders of color. We’ll share our personal experience, industry trends and tools and strategies for navigating the world non-profit leadership as Black professionals.
We’re talking about burnout, taking career breaks and sabbaticals, navigating toxic/hostile work environments, bad bosses, the never-ending quest for DEI, anti-Blackness, and other biases in the nonprofit world that impact Black leaders and leaders of color.
For more insights and discussions on navigating the nonprofit space as Black professionals, tune in to the "Not 4 Prophet Podcast" and gain valuable insights from seasoned industry experts.
